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Finally, about that money question. I waited for Chuckbernieandjim to get back to me with
those figures. Eventually, I got a call from Carlos, Chuckbernieandjim‟s personal assistant.
They wanted to meet with me, Carlos said. And so at the appointed time, Chuckbernieandjim
met me by the fireplace in my hotel lobby. Chuck and Bernie were theme-dressed in black
and white.
Jim‟s outfit didn‟t match. He said, “The uncomfortableness you feel with us now isn‟t
something personally with you, it‟s how we‟ve been scrutinized, and we‟re learning ways to
handle it. Because we‟re dealing with a real, you might say, it‟s a revolution in its own self.”
He explained that he is on a mission to raise the consciousness of the world in terms of how
much money social workers make. “I‟d like to see social workers millionaires,” he said. “I
think they should be as highly paid as a professional basketball player, for example.”
CHUCK: We encourage prosperity.
BERNIE: For everyone.
JIM: I feel personally that what we‟re doing is the greatest step for humankind that‟s ever
been taken.
BERNIE: At this point, I feel like I am a manifestation of physical immortality.
JIM: And you know, I‟m proud to say, you know, I like money and I want to make more
money. I‟m out to raise that consciousness, you know, to where not only social workers but
everybody in human development--and if we put as much money into, or at least 25 percent
as much money into, human development as we do into war, we could have a whole different
world. So. Okay.
They declined to answer the question of just how much money, exactly, they make but
insisted that they each fall well within the range of middle-class income-earners, and that the
Flame Foundation takes in about $750,000 a year, total. Interestingly, the Flame Foundation
had just declared projected annual sales of $1.4 million in a Dun &Bradstreet report.
“We don‟t ask people how much money they make, nor do we ask how do you have your
sex,” Jim said. “That‟s the distinction I‟m getting at. I don‟t want to tell people about my
personal sex life, just like I don‟t want to tell people how much money I make.”
I was getting bored with the money question, which was taking three days to answer, and I
certainly didn‟t want to get into a discussion of how they enjoy their sex--I didn‟t even feel
like imagining it--and so I said good-bye.
Where will CBJ go from here? On to billions, if they have their way. It was Chuck who said at
one meeting that it‟s going to take billions and billions of dollars to get the word out to the
world, so that the genetic shift to immortality can happen to all mankind. And those billions
needed to come quick, he said there was no time to waste. It‟s hard to understand what,
exactly, the rush is, given the fact that eternity is definitely a long-term type thing.
Anyway, the point of this whole story is that mind control, thought reform and brainwashing
are not illegal in America, so here‟s a way to make a buck, if you have the energy. You just
make it up as you go along, and whenever you‟re confronted with a blatant inconsistency,
you‟ll need to think quick, so get ready. Okay? So say, for example, that an Immortal with
AIDS dies and so does another terminally ill Immortal. How will you explain this? How can you
possibly justify the existence of a dead Immortal?
Do what the pros do.
The terminally ill Immortal was eating too much bacon, said Chuckbernieandjim. This is a true
story. Chuckbernieandjim had asked that diseased lady to please stop eating bacon. She
didn‟t, and so sure enough she died.
Finally, about that money question. I waited for Chuckbernieandjim to get back to me with
those figures. Eventually, I got a call from Carlos, Chuckbernieandjim‟s personal assistant.
They wanted to meet with me, Carlos said. And so at the appointed time, Chuckbernieandjim
met me by the fireplace in my hotel lobby. Chuck and Bernie were theme-dressed in black
and white.
Jim‟s outfit didn‟t match. He said, “The uncomfortableness you feel with us now isn‟t
something personally with you, it‟s how we‟ve been scrutinized, and we‟re learning ways to
handle it. Because we‟re dealing with a real, you might say, it‟s a revolution in its own self.”
He explained that he is on a mission to raise the consciousness of the world in terms of how
much money social workers make. “I‟d like to see social workers millionaires,” he said. “I
think they should be as highly paid as a professional basketball player, for example.”
CHUCK: We encourage prosperity.
BERNIE: For everyone.
JIM: I feel personally that what we‟re doing is the greatest step for humankind that‟s ever
been taken.
BERNIE: At this point, I feel like I am a manifestation of physical immortality.
JIM: And you know, I‟m proud to say, you know, I like money and I want to make more
money. I‟m out to raise that consciousness, you know, to where not only social workers but
everybody in human development--and if we put as much money into, or at least 25 percent
as much money into, human development as we do into war, we could have a whole different
world. So. Okay.
They declined to answer the question of just how much money, exactly, they make but
insisted that they each fall well within the range of middle-class income-earners, and that the
Flame Foundation takes in about $750,000 a year, total. Interestingly, the Flame Foundation
had just declared projected annual sales of $1.4 million in a Dun &Bradstreet report.
“We don‟t ask people how much money they make, nor do we ask how do you have your
sex,” Jim said. “That‟s the distinction I‟m getting at. I don‟t want to tell people about my
personal sex life, just like I don‟t want to tell people how much money I make.”
I was getting bored with the money question, which was taking three days to answer, and I
certainly didn‟t want to get into a discussion of how they enjoy their sex--I didn‟t even feel
like imagining it--and so I said good-bye.
Where will CBJ go from here? On to billions, if they have their way. It was Chuck who said at
one meeting that it‟s going to take billions and billions of dollars to get the word out to the
world, so that the genetic shift to immortality can happen to all mankind. And those billions
needed to come quick, he said there was no time to waste. It‟s hard to understand what,
exactly, the rush is, given the fact that eternity is definitely a long-term type thing.
Anyway, the point of this whole story is that mind control, thought reform and brainwashing
are not illegal in America, so here‟s a way to make a buck, if you have the energy. You just
make it up as you go along, and whenever you‟re confronted with a blatant inconsistency,
you‟ll need to think quick, so get ready. Okay? So say, for example, that an Immortal with
AIDS dies and so does another terminally ill Immortal. How will you explain this? How can you
possibly justify the existence of a dead Immortal?
Do what the pros do.
The terminally ill Immortal was eating too much bacon, said Chuckbernieandjim. This is a true
story. Chuckbernieandjim had asked that diseased lady to please stop eating bacon. She
didn‟t, and so sure enough she died.
